so chuck, again, not to get too deep into this, but if you take ohio and iowa and new hampshire out, of those states you mentioned, i'm a republican, so i still believe a rising tide lifts all boats, if this race gets closer, if mitt romney does well, then he's probably going to pick up, if he does better, virginia, north carolina, florida, colorado and nevada. that's my opinion. nobody else's. that's mine. wisconsin, though, isn't that still sort of stubbornly also in the obama camp? >> reporter: the midwest, in general, yes. the best numbers i hear is somewhere between three and six. the fact is, it is tighter than iowa or ohio. and how do you know? the president originally was going to leave denver after the debate and go to columbus, ohio. well, now they're going -- they're leaving the debate and they're going to madison, wisconsin, on the way back to washington. i think that tells you everything you need to know about where they think wisconsin is and where they think ohio is.